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		<title>David Barton&#8217;s Astonishingly Bad Apologetic for Glenn Beck</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, let&#8217;s start by my acknowledging this truth: in general, I like and agree with Glenn Beck.  Does he say some outrageous things?  Yes.  Do I agree with all of his pronouncements?  Heavens, no.  But in general, I agree with a significant portion of the things he says&#8230;but when he starts talking about his faith [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, let&#8217;s start by my acknowledging this truth: in general, I like and agree with Glenn Beck.  Does he say some outrageous things?  Yes.  Do I agree with all of his pronouncements?  Heavens, no.  But <strong>in general</strong>, I agree with a significant portion of the things he says&#8230;but when he starts talking about his faith and this quest God has him on, well, I get mighty antsy.  Glenn, you see, is a Mormon.</p>
<p>But David Barton, an evangelical Christian and founder/president of an organization named WallBuilders, has appeared with Glenn on a number of occasions, not only on Glenn&#8217;s TV program, but at rallies, etc.  And some Christians have (rightly) questioned Barton as to this association, just as I questioned the decision of Liberty University (my alma mater) to have Beck as graduation speaker.  Now comes Barton&#8217;s apologetic, which I&#8217;ve reproduced in its entirety below.  Instead of my commenting on it&#8212;other than to say that it is an underwhelming mishmash of red herrings, misappropriation of Scripture, misappropriation of history, and blending of the spiritual with the political to a frightening degree (not that I want to bias you, dear reader&#8230;ahem)&#8212;I&#8217;ll let you read it and point out the many fallacies Barton&#8217;s argument contains.  I&#8217;m frankly astonished, to tell you the truth&#8230;</p>
<p><em><strong>By Their Fruits</strong><br />
by David Barton/WallBuilders on Monday, 16 August 2010 at 18:49<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/David-BartonWallBuilders/101762193194695" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Dav&#8230;01762193194695</a></em></p>
<p><em>For all those who have asked, thanks for your inquiry and for expressing  your concerns about Glenn and his faith. Allow me to address those  concerns first by offering some general principles that I find helpful,  and then by listing some specific facts that also influence my position.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>Concerning the first area, human nature frequently causes us to jump to  quick (and often wrong) conclusions based on stereotypes; there is an  unfortunate propensity to judge based on what is generally perceived  about a particular group rather than on what we specifically know about  the individuals in that group.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>Jesus provided excellent guidance to help overcome this tendency:</em> <em><br />
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from  thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good  fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad  fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit&#8230;.Thus, by their fruit you  will recognize them. MATTHEW 7:16-20<br />
&#8220;Master,&#8221; said John, &#8220;we saw a man driving out demons in your name and  we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.&#8221; &#8220;Do not stop him,&#8221;  Jesus said, &#8220;for whoever is not against you is for you.&#8221; LUKE 9:49-50<br />
Whoever is not against us is for us. MARK 9:40</em></p>
<p><em>What simple messages are contained in these three verses?</em> <em><br />
Judge a tree based on the type of fruit it produces, not the label that  it bears. For example, if a tree is labeled as an apple tree but keeps  producing oranges, which is more important: the label or the fruits?  Obviously, the fruits.<br />
Don&#8217;t impede the efforts of others if they are not attacking and trying  to injure us, even if those individuals are not part of our particular  religious circle.</em></p>
<p><em>If someone is not actively fighting against us, then consider him an ally, not an enemy.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>Let me now make specific application of these verses. In recent months, I  have appeared numerous times on Glenn&#8217;s program to talk about  historical and political issues, particularly as related to faith and  Biblical values. On those programs, I have had repeated opportunity to  inform Americans about (as our WallBuilders&#8217; motto declares) &#8220;America&#8217;s  forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on our moral, religious,  and constitutional heritage.&#8221; I have also participated in several major  arena rallies with Glenn.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>As a result of these appearances, I have received numerous letters and  calls from concerned Christians, some of whom respectfully inquire as to  why I would appear with a Mormon, while others directly attack me for  doing so. As far as I can tell, most of these concerns stem from judging  Glenn based by the label of &#8220;Mormon&#8221; rather than by the fruits he  produces.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>For example, no one has yet been to point to any instance where Glenn  has attacked or undermined Christ or Christianity on any of his  programs. To the contrary, on repeated occasions it has been quite the  opposite. (Recall his specific programs on individual salvation,  atonement, and redemption through Christ.) Nevertheless, some of his  critics refuse to take Glenn at his self-evident words but instead  attempt to read into them some secret and hidden meaning, thereby  judging him not by his fruits or words but rather by some conspiratorial  and unseen meaning they seek to impute to him.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>For Christians concerned about Glenn&#8217;s faith, I would ask the following questions:</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>What fruit do you see produced by Glenn? Good or bad? If you judged  Glenn only by the fruits he has produced, would you still hold concerns  over his faith?</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>If you did not know Glenn was a Mormon, how would you describe his religious beliefs?</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>Is God using Glenn to help recover our national strength and health,  both politically and spiritually? If so, why would God be using him?</em> <em><br />
Does Glenn stir and provoke us to good works? (Hebrews 10:24)<br />
Does he bring to light the hidden things of darkness? (1 Corinthians 4:5)<br />
Does he talk openly about atonement, redemption, and individual  salvation through Christ? (I can definitely answer this in the  affirmative, for I have seen him do so on numerous occasions not only on  his program but also in the rallies where I have personally  participated with him.)</em></p>
<p><em>Christians concerned about Glenn&#8217;s faith should judge the tree by its  fruits, not its labels. After all, Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton openly  call themselves Christians, as do Evangelical Christian ministers such  as Jim Wallis and Joel Hunter. Although these individuals have the right  labels, they have the wrong fruits; yet many Christians have a more  visceral reaction to Glenn than to Pelosi, Clinton, or Wallis. This is  wrong; it is not Biblical.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>(Incidentally, a recent poll on American religious affiliations and  beliefs [1] shows that Mormons are more pro-life and pro-traditional  sexuality than Evangelicals: 70% of Mormons oppose abortion but only 61%  of Bible-believing Evangelicals do so; and 68% of Mormons believe that  homosexuality should be discouraged in society but only 64% of  Bible-believing Evangelicals believe this. Furthermore, in the 2008 vote  on the California Marriage Amendment, it was Mormons and not the  Evangelicals who gave most of the money and workers needed to protect  marriage in that state. </em> <em><br />
In fact, polling affirms that if the marriage issue had been left only  to Evangelicals, the marriage amendment would have failed. We  Evangelicals definitely need to get our own house in order.)</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Recall the incident in Acts 10 where God shattered the thinking and  paradigm of the Apostles by manifesting himself to and through  Cornelius. In the Apostles&#8217; thinking, this was definitely not supposed  to happen, for Cornelius was part of the wrong group. Nonetheless, God  moved through Cornelius, making clear that His blessing was upon him.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Significantly, that Cornelius passage from the book of Acts became the  basis for one of the most famous sermons in the remarkable American  revival called the First Great Awakening (1730-1770). That sermon, known  as the &#8220;Father Abraham&#8221; sermon, was delivered repeatedly by the Rev.  George Whitefield over all parts of America.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>The text of that sermon was recorded by John Adams (who was among the  eighty percent of Americans who physically heard Whitefield preach a  sermon during the Great Awakening [2] ). About that sermon, Adams  recounted to Thomas Jefferson:</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>He [Whitefield] began: &#8220;Father Abraham,&#8221; with his hands and eyes  gracefully directed to the heavens (as I have more than once seen him):  &#8220;Father Abraham, whom have you there with you? Have you Catholics?&#8221;  &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;Have you Protestants?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;Have you Churchmen?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;Have  you Dissenters?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;Have you Presbyterians?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;Quakers?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221;  &#8220;Anabaptists?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;Whom have you there? Are you alone?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;My  brethren, you have the answer to all these questions in the words of my  next text: &#8216;He who feareth God and worketh righteousness, shall be  accepted of Him&#8217;&#8221; [Acts 10:35]. [3] God help us all to forget having  names and to become Christians in deed and in truth. [4]</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Whitefield&#8217;s &#8220;Father Abraham&#8221; sermon based on the Cornelius incident had  a profound effect on Americans. In fact, the message of that sermon was  directly put into practice on September 6, 1774, when a seemingly  innocuous motion was proffered to open America&#8217;s first Congress with  prayer. [5] Surprisingly, that apparently harmless request met  unexpectedly stiff resistance – resistance by some of the most devout  Christians among the delegates. As explained by John Adams:</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>It was opposed by Mr. [John] Jay of New York and Mr. Rutledge of South  Carolina because we were so divided in religious sentiments – some  Episcopalians, some Quakers, some Anabaptists, some Presbyterians, and  some Congregationalists – that we could not join in the same act of  worship. [6]</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>It was devout Christian Samuel Adams who broke through the religious  objections when he &#8220;arose and said he was no bigot, and could hear a  prayer from a gentleman of piety and virtue.&#8221; [7] Significantly, Samuel  Adams (an ardent Congregationalist – a Puritan) supported having a  clergyman from the Church of England (a denomination literally hated by  Adams&#8217; Congregationalists) deliver the original opening prayer in  Congress. What Adams required was that the prayer be from a &#8220;gentleman  of piety and virtue,&#8221; thus recognizing Jesus&#8217; teachings in Luke 9:49-50,  Mark 9:40, and Matthew 7:16-20.</strong></em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>Glenn fits well into both of those historic parameters, and hopefully,  so, too, will those American Christians who might disagree with his  label but find nothing to fault among his fruits.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>In conclusion, I have been with Glenn in numerous settings; I have  watched him up close and can heartily endorse both his public and his  private life. I have witnessed his tender heart, his love for God, and  his passion to keep God in America. Glenn and I have prayed together on  numerous occasions; he has sought God for specific guidance on numerous  situations and I have personally not only seen God answer him but have  also seen Glenn completely change his plans after feeling the Lord was  leading him to move in a different direction or address a different  subject. I judge Glenn by his fruits, not by his labels, and I am  honored to call Glenn not only an ally and a fellow warrior (and a  General) in the culture war, but especially to call him a good friend.</em> <em></em></p>
<p><em>God bless!</em> <em><br />
David Barton</em></p>
<p><strong>Update: Russell Moore has an excellent piece on this aberration that David Barton embraces; click <a href="http://www.russellmoore.com/2010/08/29/god-the-gospel-and-glenn-beck/">here</a>. </strong><em><br />
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		<title>Live Like Jesus?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m driving through downtown Atlanta yesterday afternoon and I see a billboard featuring Bishop Eddie Long.  Bishop Eddie is pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, a megachurch in Lithonia, GA (an ATL suburb).  Bishop Eddie was one of the six mega-pastors who were on the receiving end of Senator Chuck Grassley&#8217;s investigation into televangelists [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m driving through downtown Atlanta yesterday afternoon and I see a billboard featuring Bishop Eddie Long.  Bishop Eddie is pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, a megachurch in Lithonia, GA (an ATL suburb).  Bishop Eddie was one of the six mega-pastors who were on the receiving end of Senator Chuck Grassley&#8217;s investigation into televangelists and their extravagant lifestyles (an investigation about which I have truly mixed emotions, by the way; that&#8217;s not the point of this post anyway).</p>
<p>Bishop Eddie makes nearly a cool million a year.  Bishop Eddie drives a $350K Bentley, and lives in a mansion with nine bathrooms on twenty acres.  Defending this (indefensible) lifestyle, Bishop Eddie told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in 2005 that,</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I pastor a multimillion dollar congregation. You’ve got to put me on a different scale than the little black preacher sitting over there that’s supposed to be just getting by because the people are suffering.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Uh-huh.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.byron-harvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Love-live-Lead_red2_bigger.png" rel="lightbox[3260]"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3261" title="Love-live-Lead_red2_bigger" src="http://www.byron-harvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Love-live-Lead_red2_bigger.png" alt="" width="73" height="73" /></a>What makes this interesting is what the billboard said.  It read,</p>
<p>&#8220;Love Like Him, Live Like Him, Lead Like Him&#8221;</p>
<p>I assume Bishop Eddie means that we ought to love, live, and lead like Jesus.</p>
<p>And so I find myself wondering if anyone in his mega-congregation sees the irony&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but <em>the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.</em>”</strong> &#8211; <em>Luke 9:58</em></p>
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		<title>On Using Words Carelessly</title>
		<link>http://www.byron-harvey.com/2010/04/on-using-words-carelessly/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a communicator, there&#8217;s sometimes a fine line between using strong language to make a point, on the one hand, and throwing words around carelessly and irresponsibly.  I&#8217;d like to report that I&#8217;ve never crossed that line&#8230;but while I might like to report that, it wouldn&#8217;t be true.  As I wrote a couple weeks back, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a communicator, there&#8217;s sometimes a fine line between using strong language to make a point, on the one hand, and throwing words around carelessly and irresponsibly.  I&#8217;d like to report that I&#8217;ve never crossed that line&#8230;but while I might like to report that, it wouldn&#8217;t be true.  As I wrote a couple weeks back, I&#8217;m trying to redouble my efforts to check my wording on some things more carefully before I go public.</p>
<p>There is a &#8220;controversy&#8221; of sorts that has brewed in the evangelical world over the course of the last few weeks, ever since John Piper, darling of the conservative and Reformed branch of evangelicalism, invited Rick Warren to appear at his Desiring God conference this fall.  Warren is viewed with downright scorn by at least a certain vocal segment of this movement, and predictably, many were up in arms, reacting with horror to Piper&#8217;s invitation extended to this man they view as a pragmatist who waters down the gospel, who represents so much of what they abhor about the contemporary evangelical movement.</p>
<p>An aside: though I have benefited from some of Warren&#8217;s writing, I have increasingly viewed a lot of what he says and does with skepticism myself.  I understand a lot of where these folks are coming from, and I sympathize with it.  Some of the positions Warren takes have a level of, I believe, danger inherent in them.</p>
<p>But one of the things that has been thrown around is the word &#8220;heretic&#8221; to describe Rick Warren.  Seriously.  Folks, say what you will about Mr. Warren, and there are some things to say, to be sure, but <strong>Rick Warren is no &#8220;heretic&#8221;</strong>.  And I wrote all this to make<a href="http://trevinwax.com/2010/04/09/john-piper-with-rick-warren-compromise/"> a point that Trevin Wax makes in this article about the controversy</a>:</p>
<p><em><strong>When you use the word &#8220;heretic&#8221; to refer to anyone who disagrees with you, you don&#8217;t have a good word to use to refer to someone who actually fits the bill. </strong></em></p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t said that better myself.  Wax references Jerry Falwell, who a few years back used the &#8220;H word&#8221; to refer to folks who believe in the Calvinist doctrine of &#8220;limited atonement&#8221;.  Do I disagree with &#8220;limited atonement&#8221;?  Absolutely.  Are people who hold to it &#8220;heretics&#8221;?  Please.  Spare me.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d all do well to remember&#8212;particularly if we &#8220;c0mmunicate for a living&#8221;&#8212;that words mean things, and we do no service to anyone when we cheapen those words by over-speaking.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Christian Voodoo&#8221;: OK, NOW I&#8217;ve Seen Everything</title>
		<link>http://www.byron-harvey.com/2010/02/christian-voodoo-ok-now-ive-seen-everything/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend sent me info about a family that is attempting&#8211;with the encouragement of their &#8220;church&#8221;&#8211;to incorporate voodoo (or, more technically as they call it, &#8220;vodou&#8221;) into their &#8220;Christianity&#8221; for the sake of two adopted kids from Haiti.  Now, of course it&#8217;s great that these folks adopted a couple of kids from Haiti&#8211;well, let&#8217;s put [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend sent me info about <a href="http://raisinglittlespirits.com/2010/01/24/christian/#more-155">a family</a> that is attempting&#8211;with the encouragement of their &#8220;church&#8221;&#8211;to incorporate voodoo (or, more technically as they call it, &#8220;vodou&#8221;) into their &#8220;Christianity&#8221; for the sake of two adopted kids from Haiti.  Now, of course it&#8217;s great that these folks adopted a couple of kids from Haiti&#8211;well, let&#8217;s put it this way: it&#8217;s great that they had it in their hearts to do so&#8211;but what kind of silliness is this?</p>
<p>More disheartening is that<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/haiti/ct-met-vodou-0128-20100127,0,6071784.story"> the pastors of a Baptist church</a> would tolerate this instead of (lovingly) offering the family the kind of counsel they need to put away the works of darkness as they embrace the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.  What fellowship does the light of Christ have with the darkness of voodoo?  None.  And the most loving thing that Revs. Thompson and Haak could possibly do would be to disabuse this misguided family of any notion to the contrary&#8211;rather than affirm their idolatry.</p>
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		<title>John MacArthur on Oral Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.byron-harvey.com/2009/12/john-macarthur-on-oral-roberts/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a sobering post on the legacy of Oral Roberts: Measuring Oral Roberts&#8217; Influence One certainly hopes that Oral Roberts is now rejoicing with Jesus in Heaven, and there is little doubt in my mind that some very good things happened as a result of Mr. Roberts&#8217; influence. At the same time, there is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a sobering post on the legacy of Oral Roberts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gty.org/Blog/B091218">Measuring Oral Roberts&#8217; Influence</a></p>
<p>One certainly hopes that Oral Roberts is now rejoicing with Jesus in Heaven, and there is little doubt in my mind that some very good things happened as a result of Mr. Roberts&#8217; influence.  At the same time, there is little doubt in my mind that much harm was done through his spurious Prosperity Theology teaching (I always had associated such with the Kenneths&#8211;Hagin and Copeland&#8211;as well as Benny Hinn, Smilin&#8217; Joey, and a few others, but MacArthur points out the difference between Prosperity &#8220;Theology&#8221; and Word-Faith &#8220;theology&#8221;, and it&#8217;s clear that Mr. Roberts must assume a lot of responsibility for this awful movement).  The gospel of Jesus doesn&#8217;t square with Prosperity teaching, and we must never, ever be fooled by the size of one&#8217;s ministry as an indicator of the blessing of God or of the rightness of one&#8217;s theology.  </p>
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